9/11 -Karl Schwarz -Spook or Strutter?

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Hi Nico Haupt,

I haven't been following you but I have been following Karl Schwarz for a long time. I knew the instant the government stated that 911 was done by a bunch of crazy box cutting Arabs, that it was an inside job. That was the biggest give away for me. I see that you have contributed much to the 911 truth movement. I want to thank you. Granted some of people in the truth movement need to be kicked to the curb. I will not name names, I don't want to get into that discussion. They know who they are they will be outed with their lack of activity for the truth.


BTY if you had read Karl's book you would have know about his plans for the white house. Read his book you will find out who Karl is. It takes apart the Wall/ the war machine crooks all the way to the top. He was busy doing that.You forgot the most important link. You can find it at  link to www.google.com this is what you are looking for too. Dig in there you will find what Karl was trying to prevent from happening. Bush sold it out of the USA. So try to find out where it went? I know these players. I was in telecom companies that had IP. I was watching them being killed one by one. The scam on the market was intentional by Clinton to raise the market to inflated numbers and pull the rug out of unknowing people. Also the companies were lost in shell companies . Such as Enron. Fincacal terrorism by the Bush/Clinton Crime family @ work.

Always follow the money as you can see it is still happening.
 http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=610 here is a great board to look what is happening to the stock market. it is the scam board. My screen name is easymoney101 if you want to find out who I am...

If you read Karl's book you will know why the Bush Crime family wants the SS to go into the hands of wall street.
Clinton was also selling out IP to other Countries. Remember the selling weapons technology to the Chinese?
Unless you read Karl's book you will have no clue what he has uncovered.

There are some of us that found out who Karl was When his letter to The president was published. And we haven't stopped helping him bring the message of truth to the public. I found out who he was BEFORE I started to do anything. I will say again to all unless you read his book you will have no idea the length of his investigation.

Below is something that was posted on the boards last week that caught my eye. Karl has unraveled the players in his book. He did a few companies you can bet that the players are the same for most of the scam market.. I ordered Karl's book by Chapter 5, I realized what I had in my hand and ordered 5 more for my family members. It is damming for the powers that be. The evidence is there in black and white document after document.
While you guys were looking at the plane angle others were working on the financial angle of 911 and there is more out there besides Karl book.
..............................................................................................................................
9/11 planning and a possible sequel
Tue Apr 26, 2005 22:56
64.140.158.12


While we listen to the platitudes, we seem to be rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

Chairman Mo's bondholders in Nortel buy backdoor to U.S. Homeland Security

From:
David Hawkins, Forensic Economist at Hawks' CAFE
 http://www.davidhawkinsresearch.com/source/cafe-009.html

To:
Judi McLeod, Founder Editor, Canada Free Press
Ron Gamble, Leader of the Reform Party of British Columbia
Russ Hiebert, Conservative Member of Parliament, South-Surrey Cloverdale

Cc:
Leaders

Bcc:
Citizens

Dear Judi, Ron and Russ,

A question that matters ....
Where do Chairman Mo's (Maurice Strong) bondholders in Nortel - a near-bankrupt, discredited "pump-and-dump" company under police investigation in Canada and U.S. - get $448 million in cash to buy PEC and a backdoor into U.S. Homeland Security?

26 April 2005: "CBC News TORONTO - Nortel Networks Corp. said Tuesday it's buying PEC Solutions, an information technology firm based in Virginia that serves the U.S. government. Nortel will pay $448 million US in cash......PEC is a 20-year-old firm that sells information technology to security, law enforcement, intelligence, defence and civilian agencies of the U.S. federal government. PEC's customers include the U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Coast Guard, Office of the Chief Information Officer for Homeland Security, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement."

2002-2004: "EDC support (and thus that of the Canadian taxpayer) is crucial to Nortel's ability to generate international sales. As one observer put it "Nortel Networks Corp. and Bombardier did not become multi-billion dollar global leaders just by making cutting edge products; they also helped many of their biggest customers to buy them using big loans from [Chairman Mo controlled] Export Development Canada." Almost half of EDC's $21 billion loan portfolio is to Nortel and Bombardier clients. EDC financing for Nortel sales is particularly important given the weak state of the telecom industry worldwide highlighted by the fact that Nortel's foreign buyers have not repaid $4.1 billion of its loans to them (Nortel lent this money between 1997 and 2000 to finance its sales). Cash-strapped foreign telecom companies are unlikely to buy Nortel products without EDC financing."
 http://www.ckln.fm/~asadismi/nortel.html

January 2004: "Research into 9/11 planning and a possible sequel, suggests that Maurice Strong and fellow insiders at Power Corp, Montreal, are laundering UN oil-for-food money through off-book partners, including French banks and oil, water and arms traders. We ask if insiders sold espionage services to the likes of Jacques Chirac, Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden using Lansdowne Technologies - a subsidiary of Canadian Steamship Lines — then owned by then finance minister, Paul Martin. We ask if Power Corp's privy councillors (Maurice Strong, Paul Desmarais and Don Mazankowski) or its ex-executive Paul Martin (now prime minister of Canada) or its French directors, hired Jacobins (radical socialists) or Jihadists (Islamic reactionaries) as mercenaries for attacks on America by a UN multilateral elite in its war on equity and the sovereign state."
 http://www.davidhawkinsresearch.com/source/ibat-001.html

In April 2001: Chairman Mo, Paul Martin's blind trust company, Lansdowne Technologies, announced it had "completed its fifth management facilitation program with Nortel Networks this week. As [$200 billion pump-and-dump] companies such as Nortel encounter market adjustments [bubble pricked shares collapse], business units need to respond quickly and strategically to support long term corporate growth and short term results. Lansdowne has been supporting Nortel in this endeavor [manipulation] over the past two years."  http://www.lansdowne.com/News/2001-04-01.htm

While we listen to the platitudes, we seem to be rearranging the deckchairs on the Titannic.

Regards,

David Hawkins


David Hawkins - Foundation Scholar - Cambridge University
Citizen's Association of Forensic Economists at Hawks' CAFE
Global networking for "Clarity, Equity and One Set of Books"
Tel: (604) 542-0891  david@DavidHawkinsResearch.com
 http://www.DavidHawkinsResearch.com



In Truth
Amy Sasser Merritt Island Florida

 http://www.tomflocco.com/

check out the front page article on A3

Karl Schwarz is a patriotic Christian truth teller. So that makes the writer of this professional hit piece a ....what? If you would like to listen to Karl in archived interviews...go here: www.rbnlive.com or www.meria.net........listen and learn
Becky Garrick

Sat, 28 May 2005

"....when I left Wall Street I teamed up with UUNet as their only global VAR. Due to the costs of creating a global communications network, and the regulatory hassles, we developed an LTA HAA (Lighter than Air, High Altitude Airship) that is a communications platform. FCC would not let us have a frequency to keep the ships on station, so we developed the world's most advanced hyperspectral system that could keep the ships in position visually, night or day, any type of weather, and well outside of the ability of FCC and major telecoms to regulate or stop.

As a result of that communications (not defense) related work, we moved into nanotechnology because these high altitude craft have to carry huge loads and have to be extremely durable in a very hostile 80,000 to 100,000 foot altitude environment. Nanotechnology fabrics and composites are 15 times stronger than Kevlar..."


Schwarz promised to answer on the following questions below on Wednesday, June 1st


1)
Did you ever work as a private military or
intelligence contractor for the Pentagon or CIA and
would that explain, that you former companies are not
properly listed in registration databases?

2)
What happened after the negotiations of your company
GlobalAxxess with Global Crossing?

4)
Why was GlobalAxxess not properly listed?

4)
Did your former wife, Lois Love use a fake name,
because she was related to private intelligence, too?

5)
Is it correct, that your partner companies connected
with
-US Defense Communications Agency
-Israeli Air Force
-Israeli Venture Capital
Nechemia Peres, son to former prime minister, Shimon
Peres

and can you explain these connections, means did you
ever meet any of these related "operations"?

6)
Why did you decide to use "tripod" as a host for a
company website?

7)
How is Marylin M. Scwarz related to you?

8)
Is it correct, that T. B. Patterson worked as your
divorce and business lawyer?
Can you explain, why it is very difficult to get any
background information or public records on him?

9)
Is your partner of GlobalAxxess.net, Chiaro Networks
and his founder, Dr. Eyal Shekel (ex-Israeli Air
Force) in any form related to business with Lockheed,
Raytheon, TRW or Boeing?

10)
Is Jon Bayless, Director of Chiaro in Richardson,
Texas, in any form related to business with FAA, NRO,
NSA or NIMA/NGA?

11)
How can you explain a business/political conflict of
interest, that the sponsor of Chiaro, "Israel Seed
Partners" and his start-up MobileAccess will install
an US House of Representatives communications
system ?

12)
Are you using the campaign on revealing the "truth
about 9/11" in any way as a revenge on private US
military - or intelligence contractors, who sabotaged
you in the past?

13)
Why do you ignore in your articles, that the official
story about flight 11, 175, 77 and 93 is a LIE.
These flights either did not exist, did not depart or
departed at different times, in opposite to official
story.

14)
Last, but not least. Why did you announce to run as
president? Are you not giving people false hope, who
are aware of rigged e-voting machine, furthermore why
you ignore documents and plans of pending world war
"4", which might even start before the next election?
Means, why you pretend, that democracy still exist,
instead already replaced by fascism?
For which party do you wanna run? Is this decision
really a protection strategy et... ??

First off I will address the Portland Indy Media posting and demonstrate the
irrelevance and inaccuracy of most of this researcher's alleged findings.



The Portland Indy Media post is a partially the work of plagiarism in that
Kelly Ann Thomas of Texas had typed most of this before and placed it on her
website. She then retracted it all after we began direct communications.



 link to karmakat.typepad.com





Everything about Schwarz, not everyone wants to know....



9/11 -Karl Schwarz -Spook or Strutter?
wild ties from US Defense Communications Agency (DCI) to Israeli Air Force





Response: Have not at any time in the past or present had anything to do
with DCI or Israeli Air Force. This person is reaching to create
controversy out of nothing.



1) The Karl Schwarz- Karl Schwarz connection

Is Karl Schwarz connected with the personality of german Karl Schwarz?
Schwarz (US) insisted, it's not him.

German Karl Schwarz is interestingly a turbine specialist as well and
involved with Lockheed test flights.
 http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRheft/FRH0110/FR0110d.htm




Response: Absolutely no connection whatsoever. The German Karl Schwarz was
actually connected to Lufthansa and their Lockheed aircraft, more so than
Lockheed. It would help if "read" and "pay attention" were in the same
breath.



Just because two people have the same name does not a conspiracy make.
There is also a Karl Schwarz brewery in Austria, Karl Schwarz MD and Karl
Schwarz theologian, all, no relationship whatsoever to me.




2) Schwarz mirrored number

His public telephone number, is still listed as 501-663-4959,
but already since last year belonging to someone named Robbie W Dickson -
(501) 663-4959





Response: Has not been my telephone number for quite some time. Any
researcher worth a penny would know that Robbie W. Dickson is my mother's
re-married name and that I have a half-brother with the last name of
Dickson. Wow, what a researcher. My telephone is AC 770. See if this
genius can figure it out since such inaccuracy is assured to prove nothing
on 9-11.




3) Schwarz unregistered companies

Commaxxess, Inc. which was in alleged negotiations on assets from Global
Crossing, had their website at a free host



Response: COMMAXXESS, Inc. was quite registered, in Delaware and offshore.
Shoddy research to have not known that, or focus on just one state or one
nation. "Rank Amateur" comes to mind. COMMAXXESS never shared a website
with GlobalAxxess. GlobalAxxess is the former global VAR of UUNet, only
global VAR of 15 VARs allowed by UUNet. The website used to redirect to a
UUNet / GlobalAxxess joint site but that ended when the relationship did.
When WorldCom purchased UUNet, we were already aware of the fraud going on
inside of WCOM and changed names to distance our IP-centric activities from
WCOM and what was headed their way.



This "researcher" is to me obviously myopic and not very thorough, or does
not understand business structure and relationships that have nothing to do
with 9-11.




Corporation Name GLOBALAXXESS, LLC.
 http://globalaxxess.net.tripod.com/




Response: We used a remote domain host away from our main servers because
of WCOM attempts to hack into our customer base. Irrelevant, meaningless
research by this person and drawing ludicrous assumptions.







From researcher "Tradermule", November 2004:

"GlobalAxxess claims in its comments that it recently made an offer to the
United States Trustee and to counsel for the Official llnsecured Creditors
Committee. GlobalAxxess Cmts., at 3. Applicants are not aware of
any such offer. Moreover, as discussed above, the Bankruptcy Court concluded
that the Proposed Transaction represents the best offer to GCL and issued a
Sale Order approving the Proposed Transaction. Issues
regarding other bids are properly directed to the Bankruptcy Court, not the
Commission."





Response: The attorneys for the secured creditors - the ones that were in
control of the bankruptcy, was Milbank Twead, NYC, specifically Allan
Brilliant and Diedre Sullivan. Met with them on several occassions [Chase
Plaza, lower Manhattan] regarding the higher offer, $415 million cash, $400
million per year over 5 years. Offer was presented to US Trustee, Secured
and Unsecured Creditors. Tradermule's "findings" are not close to accurate.
It was a 282 page document prepared by bankruptcy counsel for the
acquisition of Global Crossing assets in bankruptcy.



If this person "Tradermile" had taken the time to read "One-Way Ticket to
Crawford, TX" they would have known all about it in chapters 12-14. Again,
shoddy, half done research that is totally irrelevant to 9-11.



The only offer ever submitted by Global Crossing to the court was the lowest
offer, no due diligence. This person needs to read One Way Ticket to
Crawford Texas to understand why that happened and why "high bid with due
diligence" was something feared by Global Crossing and many of their main
Wall Street creditors. Part of the NWO you fear is they needed a global
financial network owned by the banks, i.e. Global Crossing.



Pg 5, note 8
at:
 link to gullfoss2.fcc.gov
< link to gullfoss2.fcc.gov
nt=6513387091> &id_document=6513387091

They weren't aware because there was no such offer. There are no billions.
GlobalAxxess was nothing but an empty registration in Arkansas.





Response: Another erroneous assumption. There are hundreds of documents
filed on this website that expose the entire Global Crossing scam.
GlobalAxxess was a dba of a much larger holding co that raised $1.6 billion
offshore. The parent entity is domiciled in Germany. As a VAR of UUNet,
that became owned by WCOM, we kept our distance while still doing business
offshore. We were never a US VAR of UUNet and looking in the US for a
Global VAR is amateurish.



GlobalAxxess was from inception a subsidiary and was merely registered in
the U.S. Nothing even remarkable about that, except some that love to waste
their time and others. GlobalAxxess ceased doing business under that name
in June 2003, so continuation of the registration was meaningless. It was
registered in many other places than Arkansas. Revoked in the context
showed below means the registration was not "renewed", paid for to be
extended another year. Very simple process, either pay and renew or let it
lapse because it is not needed, not used.



Had this person read the book I wrote, the pointlessness of their post would
be evident. The proof of funds was faxed to the White House on request;
that is in the book I wrote as well.



My divorce was in 2002, business interests moved out of Arkansas or, kept
out of Arkansas and in some instances out of the U.S.



One of the things to watch out for in bankruptcy cases are the "penny stock
whores". With a handle like "Tradermule", might be one of those types of
vultures. They do not like anyone who stands up for the shareholders as I
did. Relevant information would be to find out if Tradermule is this type
of person for they are quite sleazy.



Corporation Name GLOBALAXXESS, LLC.
Fictitious Names N/A
Filing # 100183720
Filing Type Limited Liability Company
Filed under Act Domestic LLC; 1003 of 1993
Status Revoked 12/31/2002
Principal Address

Reg. Agent T.B. PATTERSON, JR.

Agent Address 310 WEST SAINT LOUIS AVENUE

HOT SPRINGS, AR 719134406
Date Filed 04/10/2000
Officers N/A
Foreign Name N/A
Foreign Address

State of Origin
N/A



 http://www.sos.arkansas.gov/corps/search_corps.php?DETAIL=96920
< link to www.sos.arkansas.gov
d=&corp_name=globalaxxess&agent_search=&agent_city=&agent_state=&filing_numb
er=&cmd=>
&corp_type_id=&corp_name=globalaxxess&agent_search=&agent_city=&agent_state=
&filing_number=&cmd=

Who is T B Patterson, you ask? Well, he must be some hotshot corporate
lawyer! Nope.... put him in the Arkansas search engine...


6 records found

Name City State Status
DATACOM SYSTEMS, LLC HOT SPRINGS AR Good Standing
GLOBAL INTEGRATED, LLC HOT SPRINGS AR Revoked
GLOBALAXXESS, LLC. HOT SPRINGS AR Revoked
INVESTOR TRUST ORGANIZATION HOT SPRINGS AR Good
Standing
MILLENNIUM MARKETING, LLC HOT SPRINGS AR Not Current
iNET DIGITAL VIDEO CORPORATION HOT SPRINGS AR Revoked

Corporation Name iNET DIGITAL VIDEO CORPORATION
Fictitious Names N/A
Filing # 100184670
Filing Type For Profit Corporation
Filed under Act Dom Bus Corp; 958 of 1987
Status Revoked 12/31/2002
Principal Address

Reg. Agent T.B. PATTERSON, JR.

Agent Address 310 WEST SAINT LOUIS AVENUE

HOT SPRINGS, AR 719134406
Date Filed 05/02/2000
Officers MARILYN M. SCWARZ, President
T.B. PATTERSON, JR., Secretary

Foreign Name N/A
Foreign Address

State of Origin N/A





Response: This person missed over 30 entities, but then focusing on
Arkansas when business interests are in other states, other countries is
quite the waste of time. T. B. Patterson, Jr. lives in South Carolina, not
Arkansas. I live in GA, not Arkansas. Very shoddy research, but then maybe
half-baked assumptions is the point of such "researchers". Sure have not
proven anything on 9-11.





Despite the misspelling, we suspect that Marylin M. Scwarz is Marilyn Moody
Schwarz....







Response: Former Wife, we divorced in 2002 and divorce was granted to me.
Reason, none of anyone's business but ours. "Suspect?" Big deal, totally
irrelevant. Her name was Marilyn McDougald Schwarz, not Marilyn Moody
Schwarz. Again, shoddy research.






 link to 64.233.167.104
s/1996a/960918/ca94-695.wpd+
< link to 64.233.167.104
ns/1996a/960918/ca94-695.wpd+&hl=en> &hl=en

"...In March 1976, Karl Schwarz and his wife, Lois
Love Schwarz, purchased Lot 11 of the Hilltop Manor
Addition in Little Rock (Lot 11) as tenants by the entirety. In January
1985, the Schwarzes separated, Karl Schwarz moved out of the home, and a
divorce action was filed. In the resulting divorce decree dated September
12, 1985, Karl Schwarz was ordered to quitclaim his interest in the marital
home to Lois Schwarz, who later resumed using her maiden name of Lois Love.
He did not do so....."

(Love, Arkansas style.)





Response: Had this person been "transparent" and not self-serving, they
would have admitted that the issue before the Arkansas Supreme Court was the
forgery of my name on deeds. They would also have admitted to all of you
readers that I won, the lower court was reversed and remanded, we filed
criminal charges against the attorney who forged my name and he killed
himself the next day.



Shoddy reporting by Portland Indy Media in not letting you know that I won
the issue and proved the forgery.



Under Arkansas law, chancellors have only three choices regarding marital
property - the man buys out the wife interest in home, she buys him out, or
the home is sold, equity split. I was ordered to sign a quitclaim deed and
refused, my right WITHIN THE LAW. They forged my name, we proved that too.


Where else is Karl Schwarz, you ask? Well you might...


 link to 64.233.167.104
s/1996a/961028/96-458.wpd+
< link to 64.233.167.104
ns/1996a/961028/96-458.wpd+&hl=en> &hl=en







Response: We recovered our money lost due to the forgeries from another
source. These parties were held not liable.



And...


 link to www.mdd.uscourts.gov
00.pdf






Response: This was a RICO trial that was not allowed to go to trial. Only
cost me $89.45 million, some place this "researcher" will never be in his or
her life.







Well, what of Karl's multi-billion dollar "telecom" company?

 http://members.tripod.com/eCapbank/

Well, sure... all multi-billion dollar companies use free tripod webpages
and an AT&T account e-mail address, don't they? It's the growing trend in
worldwide companies.

The phone number and residental listing has not changed. It was the same
back on the Yahoo! GX board where his "assistant" with the ID "barecreek"
explained that it was his "Mom's number". (go figure) Don't take my word...
call him up there. Just be careful.... if you leave your hat on the table,
Karl
will sell it to you.



Response: changed long ago, seems this person cannot follow chronology at
all. Anne Melo, senior executive assistant to me for 6 years, now lives in
Canada. Cannot call me at that number, but then "FACTS" are not this
persons point or forte. My AC is 770, not 501

What you can't find is a physical address for any of his "multi-billion
corporations". It has since disappeared from the web but the only address
back then "GlobalAxxess Holdings, Inc. Attn: Mr. W. Gregg Almand, General
Counsel 11101 Anderson Drive, Suite 203 Little Rock, AR 7221.2"







Response: The IP servers were in Little Rock. The company was based
offshore so looking in AR was a waste of time.



There were dual Juniper M-160s and dual Juniper M-20 routers. You
Inspector Gadgets can figure out on your own how much capacity such units
have and can handle.



This person obviously has a myopia regarding Arkansas, and that is not where
the company was based. Where I live and where I have business interests are
not necessarily the same. Only a fool would draw such conclusions. For
example, I live in GA, business is SC based, plant is in VA and more coming
in South America, Europe and Canada later this year. Only an amateur like
this purported "9-11 investigator" was make such ludicrous connections that
do not exist and assumptions that show his intent to twist the truth.



Maybe Gerard can figure out where our offices were outside of Sydney.



Maybe this Portland Indy Media person can figure out where in Singapore, LA,
NYC and London, or in Budapest, the other network hubs were located. If my
competitors could not, doubt this Indy Media person or Nico Haupt can figure
it out.



If they can figure that out, prêtty good at research. If not, they need to
go back to whatever it was they were doing before 9-11 for they will never
prove or be constructive in the 9-11 prosecution matters.





Gregg seems to have moved but back then you could find him thus:


 link to 64.233.167.104
William+G.+%22Gregg%22+Almand+Representing+people+with+legal+problems+such+a
s+Automobile+Accidents,+Accidental+Injuries,+Defective+or+Dangerous+Products
,+Business+Disputes,+Commercial+Litigation,+Victims+of+Fraud,+Divorce,+Colle
ction+of+Child+Support,+Child+Custody,+Other+Matters+involving+Children,+Con
tract+Disputes,+Small+Businesses,+Wills+and+Probate,+and+most+other+legal+ma
tters.+I+do+not+take+criminal+cases,+bankruptcy,+or+tax+cases,+but+I+can+ref
er+these+questions+and+cases+to+lawyers+who+do+practice+in+these+areas+of+th
e+law.&hl=en




Response: Gregg Almand has not worked with us since early 2001. Dated
information and nothing to do with 9-11 or me.




There was plenty more at the time but it all comes to the same thing. Kark W
B Schwarz is nothing but a lying Arkansas con man. I will admit that I've
never quite cottoned to his exact game but I know a liar when I see one.



Response: Sure sounds like slander to me. Will have my attorneys address
this one. I underwent a full FBI investigation in 1999-2000 due to Clinton
and the FBI did not find what this person alleges. This alleged "9-11
researcher" that could not solve a Girl Scout cookie scam, much less 9-11 or
anything regarding me.



Nothing I do is questionable unless people try to spin half baked ideas like
this debate has been.




Be careful out there.... particularly when they are saying what you want to
hear.



Response: Yes, be careful of sham investigators that cannot follow any
trail or use critical thinking. Just another coward behind a keyboard that
did not even identify him or her self.






PS: Crap! I almost forgot. Where is T. B. Patterson, the hotshot corporate
lawyer? He's at

310 W. St. Louis Hot Springs, AR 71913

Right between the dentist:

(501) 624-3323. Beebe John C DDS. 308 W Saint Louis
St. Hot Springs, AR

and the doctor:

Thomas Wallace A MD 312 W Saint Louis St Hot Springs
501-624-1204

(that was so a year and a half ago, at least.... you can check the current
ones next to the big time corporate lawyer in a dinkshit one man practice)





Response: Do something productive. Wrong again. T. B. Patterson's office
is in South Carolina, does not live in Hot Springs, AR. If this person
cannot figure out simple things, what are they doing in the 9-11
investigation?




4) The GlobalAxxess.net -Chiaro connection


From researcher Brad M. (team8plus.org):

11-15-01 (Karl Schwarz') GlobalAxxess.net announces that Chiaro Networks
photonics core router technology will be tested in GlobalAxxess hubs
starting in mid 2002. This technology is scalable to 1.5 petabits per
second and switching speeds of 5 nanoseconds.

 http://members.tripod.com/eCapbank/id24.htm

So Karls whole big business depends on these guys...





Response: Wrong again, but then what's new with this investigator that
looks at everything backwards. Maybe that is the purpose of his/her post.



I am getting a very clear picture why you folks and your "research team" are
getting nothing accomplished on 9-11.




Meet Chiaro...
 http://www.chiaro.com/about/our_investors.jsp

 http://www.chiaro.com/
networking, supercomputing, telecommunications and
photonics.
Address: 5 Nahum Hefzadi St.
Jerusalem
ISRAEL, 95484
Telephone: 02-6595539

www.matimop.org.il/newrdinf/company/c2485.htm




Response: This person conveniently leaves off the controlling US investors
in Chiaro and attempts to characterize it as an Israel controlled company,
which it is not.


From researcher ewing2001 (team8plus.org) :


Founder of Chiaro was Dr. Eyal Shekel, in 1997.
A former captain in the Israeli Air Force
 http://www.israelseed.com/portfolio/port_det.asp?id=1

Chiaro is a portfolio company of Pitango.
Their contact info 5 Nahum Hefzadi St.,
Headquarters:
269 West Renner Parkway
Richardson, Texas 75080 USA



Response: Pitango (formerly Polaris) was and is a minority stake holder of
Chiaro. The Chiaro company is controlled by US investors, albeit Jewish for
the most part but more so TEXAS.




 http://www.pitango.com/portfolio_company.asp?ID=63
 http://www.pitango.com/team_member.asp?ID=24

Rami Kalish of Chiaro once founded Polaris in 1993, the year of WTC attack
No.1 Polaris was later renamed into Pitango.





Response: Chiaro, Pitango, 1993 founding and 9-11 have nothing at all to do
with each other. Most of the Chiaro executives worked for Alcatel in the
1990s.

Maybe this person needs to discern the difference between Zionist and Jew,
and the difference between 1993, 2001 and right now, 2005.





Polaris however was the result of a Israeli Government Initiative:

 http://vcexperts.com/vce/news/buzz/archive_view.asp?id=259
4/12/2005
Dr. Shlomo Kalish & Micah Avni,
Jerusalem Global Ventures


"...The industry, however, was formed in the early 90s and boosted by a
government initiative called Yozma, which subsidized foreign LPs to invest
in Israeli



funds. Several funds were formed, including Polaris (now renamed Pitango),
Gemini, Nitzanim (now called Concord), Star Ventures, Oxton (now called
JVP), and others...

Managing Partner of Pitango was Nechemia Peres, "who is also the chairman of
the Israeli Venture Capital Association, and son to former prime minister,
Shimon Peres..."





Response: This "investigator" finally got something right. We stayed arm's
length from any involvement with Israel because of their spying on the US
and using core router and telecom switch software to do it. We have never
had anything to do with the Israel parties in any manner.



BGPs and ASICs of Chiaro were certified by our people to have no back doors
for Israeli intelligence gathering by our code writers and core router
specialist. If you folks do not know what BPG and ASIC are, educate
yourselves for I do not have time to do that.



Have never met him, never talked to Peres, do not know him.





Another Director of Chiaro in Richardson, Texas is Jon Bayless.
(funding of company was started in March 1997)

Bayless was previously with Arthur A. Collins, Inc.,
Defense Communications Agency, E-Systems and Motorola.





Response: Bayless was not involved in anything we did with Chiaro. Again,
nothing to do with 9-11 whatsoever.





The founder of Arthur A. Collins was a high tech radio- and avionics
specialist.

 http://www.wa3key.com/aacbio.html

He received the Secretary of the Navy's Distinguished Public Service Award
Citation in 1962, the Iowa Broadcasters Association Distinguished Service
Award in 1966, was elected to the National Academy of Engineering in 1968,
received the Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association's David
Sarnoff Award in 1979, and the Electronics Industries Association's Medal of
Honor in 1980.





Response: Totally irrelevant and no relationship with us, our company or
me.


Since recently Chiaro has the following products:

The Enstara IP/MPLS platform and some router softwares like ChiarOS
Among their investors is still Pitango, Israel Seed Partners, Siemens and
others.



Response: and Sevin Rosen, the controlling partners. Amazing what this
person keeps leaving out and trying to spin a bogus tapestry. If this
person is going to do homework, they need to learn to complete the
assignment. Israelis do not control Chiaro. The Israeli physicist invented
one component of the Chiaro core routers, Dr. Eyal Shekel. The rest of it
was invented in the US.



We are currently making such technology even better through nanotechnology
and photonics.



By the way, military service in Israel is mandatory so do not make too much
of anyone's past in Israel being military related. Somewhat naïve to make
assumptions that have no basis in fact or stretch things into something they
are not.






On January 3, 2005 it was confirmed, that Israel Seed Partners start-up
MobileAccess will install an US House of Representatives communications
system
 http://www.israelseed.com/press/pressroom_detail.asp?id=259



Response: Israel Seed Partners held less then 10% of Chiaro. The larger VC
firms were US based including Sevin Rosen, the firm that bailed out Compaq
years ago. Minority partners were not controlling Chiaro in any manner, nor
were Israeli interests. We had the same concerns before deciding to do
business with them.


...connections to -US Defense Communications Agency

Response: None whatsoever ...then or now.

Israeli Air Force

Response: None whatsoever ...then or now.


-Israeli Venture Capital

Response: None whatsoever ...then or now.

Nechemia Peres, son to former prime minister, Shimon Peres


Response: None whatsoever ...then or now.


If you are this far off base on "facts" regarding me, how far off are you on
9-11?

I am German descent, very anti-Zionist. Not popular in Israel at all...

Schwarz was formerly married to someone named "Lois Love".
>
come to your own conclusions :)


...Her name is Lois Jean Love, her maiden name; not a bogus name in any manner.
...We were married for 11 and a half years.

She is the mother of my only child, Ryan Matthew Schwarz, Cpl, Arkansas National
Guard 39th Infantry Brigade, attached to 1st Cavalry Division, Baghdad, just
returned 8 weeks ago from Iraq.

Want to be concerned about something relevant? The attack plan for Iran was
being done in Baghdad, ready to implement any time.

... I have no
subversive or odd connections whatsoever other than what you folks are
dreaming up out of nothingness. A relationship with a company or technology
does not translate into a relationship with the investors who created the
technology or the company. If you think it does, you need a reality check
or just showing off your naivety ...

Schwarz answered to a huge group, who confronted him also with other questions, he didn't answer yet.

Among this group:
 skylax@comcast.net,  tapirsaver@yahoo.com,  asasser@cfl.rr.com,  me@911review.org,  linelites@mindspring.com,  atz@onetel.com,  myers@cyberone.com.au,  jr@rense.com,  russell.p.hamerly@boeing.com,  carlson.jon@cheqnet.net,  akd@uwo.ca,  leonardspencer3@hotmail.com,  prez@usa-exile.org,  leland@33o.com,  pa28112@hotmail.com,  chossudovsky@videotron.ca,  skydrifter@attbi.com,  philjayhan@letsroll911.org,  scottl44@yahoo.com,  brian@questionsquestions.net,  res0y6cg@verizon.net,  pm@serendipity.li,  tarpley@radix.net,  econtv@earthlink.net,  SkyWriter@starpower.net,  rballan@northnet.org,  nicohaupt@gmx.li,


Karl Schwarz responds (2)

1) "...My connections to defense and intelligence related persons are communications security based or nanotechnology...."


This clearly means for me, that Schwarz IS a defense contractor.

Nanotechnology is an important part of the Department of Defense, including Nanoweaponry.
In 2001 the US invested 125 million USD in nanotechnology initiatives for the Department of Defense (DoD). The proposed budget for 2005 includes 276 million USD for the DoD and 1 million USD for homeland security (together this is approximately 28% of the total nanotechnology budget).
For example, the Institute of Soldier Nanotechnologies (ISN) at MIT was established in 2002 with a five-year 50 million USD contract from the US military and is looking at producing a battle-suit that provides improved protection, monitors vital signs and (at the same time) is lighter than conventional equipment.

This comes even from a non-DoD source
 link to www.azonano.com

This IS AN "Application", Period.

Maybe Schwarz is so naive and believe, he is dealing with hollywood geeks, who still think, "weapons" of the defense are just some missiles and bombs and cute effects in hiphop videos, but this isn't the 80sanymore.

Using his vocabulary, according to the "Military Application Society", they deal with "development and application of process modeling and operations research analyses to military issues".

Therefore even an "analysis" is a military application.

Means, Karl Schwarz is not just military in the naive
world of action movie fans ('...we're shooting
back...", Schwarz 06/02, 05), he furthermore develops
"AIM 100 lasing devices", which "can light up targets
up to 30 miles in all directions for air strikes,artillery, mortar, or helicopters to dispose of problems", but is naive enough to sell the idea, that nanotechnology cannot be used a a military
application.


Contractor of defense is contractor. Period.
Wether you sell tomatoes, paper or nanotech.

In a follow up email, Schwarz confirms this again:
"...Yes, it is an application and you are erroneously drawing a conclusion
(an assumption) that me and my company are involved in it..."

False. There is no conclusion on my side. The confirmation was already presented by Schwarz:
"...My connections to defense and intelligence related persons are communications security based or nanotechnology...."

If Schwarz thinks, he can spin "communications security" away, he must live in Disneyland.
The Dod has their own huge sections on that matter, even already since decades, including:

-Communications Security Telephone Monitoring
-National Cryptologic School
-Communications Security (COMSEC)
-Communications Intelligence (COMINT)
-Data Sharing in a Net-Centric Department of Defense

just recently, also the CIA was conducting a secretive war game, dubbed "Silent Horizon", to practice defending against an electronic assault, with the help of the Institute for Security Technology Studies (ISTS) at Dartmouth College.
Among their sponsors:


-Dept. of Defense, Advanced Research Projects Agency
-Dept. of Defense, Air Force Research Laboratory
-National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
-US Army Communications Electronics Command Research
-US Army Research Institute for Environmental Medicine

Source:  http://www.ists.dartmouth.edu/about-sponsors.php


And here for newbies, more on the strong fusion between nanotechnology, nanoweaponry and the Pentagon:

Recognized military applications of Nanoscience:

# Ultrasmall, highly parallel, computers with multi-teraflop speed
# Image information processors, e.g., extraction and recognition# Lasers and detectors for weapons and countermeasures
# Optical (infrared, visible, ultraviolet) sensors for improved surveillance an targeting
# Integrated sensor suites for chemical and biological agent detection
# Catalysts for enhancing and controlling energetic reactions
# Synthesis of new compounds (e.g., narrow-bandgap materials)
# Designer materials with combinations of properties that do not currently exist
# high-density information storage devices, e.g., terabit/cm2 nonvolatile memory


Source:  http://www.nanosra.nrl.navy.mil/




Instead Schwarz dencides to distract with insults and is calling his critics "disruptors", "paranoid" or "naive".


On other questions, Schwarz didn't answer yet, he bites back with presidential attitude:

"Get off your lazy ass and find it yourself. We did."
"You got your answer. Now, we shoot back",
"you are time wasters. With me, your 15
minutes are up."
or
"You need to lay off the booze"




2)"...Do not have the time to educate you on why that
happened..."

partly answered. But "education" in one simple answer
would be better.

Schwarz still has to answer, who did the "highest bid", or quote from
his book.


3)
"...It has not existed since June 2003 when it became
COMMAXXESS. That entity is listed where it needs to
be and no place else...."

so where is COMMAXXESS listed then?
Question not answered.

Karl Schwarz also ignores again the results of the negotiations with Global Crossing.

Already in August 2003, Schwarz also confirmed in a letter, made available to the FCC archives, that his unlisted company COMMAXXESS, was "in negotiations with a firm that currently
provides security services to U.S. intelligence agencies to assure that current leaks and
threats will be eliminated and a new Global Crossing under new management and U.S.
ownership would protect national security. This is a firm that will not be going public
any time in the near future due to the nature of its work and clientele."

Source:  link to gullfoss2.fcc.gov


However Schwarz thinks, that cooperations who provide "security services to U.S. intelligence agencies" are no military- or intelligence contractors?
Fascinating. It's on record at the FCC, but Schwarz is not answering to "sloppy researchers", he prefers to spin and insult them away.




4)
"...That is her maiden name, Lois Jean Love, not a
fake name. Whomever suggested that to you is an
idiot..."

Question answered, with the benfit of a doubt.
Remember "wilsongate"?
Many private intel contractors receive fake-IDs.
But the rest was answered. Maybe unimportant to know.



6)
"...Why did you decide to use "tripod" as a host for a
company website? Response: because WCOM was
nosey and trying to get into our main servers and main
IP core routers...."

Schwarz didn't have any server savy guy in his "$415 million"-team??

Again, a fascinating answer.

8)
"...Can you explain, why it is very difficult to get
any background information or public records on him?
Response: yes and he still does. He lives in
South Carolina, I live in GA. We both prefer to keep
people out of our personal and business affairs, which
is quite legal by the way...."


Not answered. It's still hard to find info on Schwarz' lawyer.


11)
"...I would have that system removed if I were in
office and not allow any Israel spying on the U.S.
..."

Schwarz believess, that 10% of "Israel Seed Partners" into Chiaro and their
business strategy is no political or political conflict of interest for him.
But when is it? 20%, 40%, 98% ?

12)
".... Why do you ignore in your articles, that the
official story about flight 11, 175, 77 and 93 is a
LIE. These flights either did not exist, did not
depart or departed at different times, in opposite to
official story. Response: that is your opinion,
not ours. We have FAA people that have come forward
with some interesting facts...."


This is no "opinion", but a clear fact. We can provide
original screenshots from the time, when we first saw
these records. There even still up, but since some months with a lousy disclaimer.


Schwarz should better continue with his phantom contacts and bring these "interesting facts"!


"...We are forming a new third party and people from
all over the US are coming from all existing parties
to join our effort...
...Now, Nico, quit wasting my time and letting your
ego and paranoia get the best of you..."


Means, Schwarz ignores rigged e-voting machines.
The question was also only partly answered.




Here are the questions, which he partly answered more in a direct way:


 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/316680.shtml





5) Is it correct, that your partner companies connected with
-US Defense Communications Agency
-Israeli Air Force
-Israeli Venture Capital
Nechemia Peres, son to former prime minister, Shimon Peres


Response: No, that is not correct. Chiaro has not been a strategic
partner since 2001. Move on.

and can you explain these connections, means did you ever meet any of
these related "operations"?

Response: No, did not even have telephone conversations with them.

Schwarz however ignores, that in may 2002, "GlobalAxxess Holdings" was still seeking to combine the resources of Wil-Com aka Williams Communications (Tulsa, OKLAHOMA).
Williams Comm. was bought in 2001 by Tom T. Gores, of Los Angeles, once immigrated from Israel with his family, when he was 5.
In 2002, Wiliams Comm. took over Corvis Corp. (now Broadwing Corp. since 2004, BWNG)
 http://www.broadwing.com/bwngcorp/pages/faq.html

Corvis is yet another government contractor, but apparently not linked to Chiaro, so we have to believe Schwarz for now.
 http://www.broadwing.com/govt.html
 http://www.broadwing.com/govt-f1.html





7) How is Marylin M. Scwarz related to you?

Response: second wife, we divorced in 2002. I have known her since
Sept 1969.


8) Is it correct, that T. B. Patterson worked as your divorce and
business lawyer?
Can you explain, why it is very difficult to get any background
information
or public records on him?

Response: yes and he still does. He lives in South Carolina, I live
in GA. We both prefer to keep people out of our personal and business
affairs, which is quite legal by the way. My nanotechnology company
competes against Kellogg Brown & Root's CNI. Would you provide an open
door
to them? What they cannot fathom, they cannot disrupt. What they cannot
fathom, neither can you. My corporate structure and dealings are to keep
people like them, and you, out of my personal and business affairs. Quite
legal is the operative phrase.


---
partly answered, see above


9) Is your partner of GlobalAxxess.net, Chiaro Networks and his
founder, Dr. Eyal Shekel (ex-Israeli Air Force) in any form related to
business with Lockheed, Raytheon, TRW or Boeing?

Response: No, no connection whatsoever relating to me. Have never
met
the man, have never talked to him. I am intimately familiar with the
Chiaro
1.5 petabit routers that he invented a component of, a photonics optical
router component. He is a communications physicists, not Dr. Mendela. We
have had no relationship with Chiaro since 2001. Move on.



10) Is Jon Bayless, Director of Chiaro in Richardson, Texas, in any
form related to business with FAA, NRO, NSA or NIMA/NGA?

Response: Do not know Jon Bayless and our involvement with Chiaro
was
technology related, not relationships with their board members or VC firms
that financed the technology development.


11) How can you explain a business/political conflict of interest,
that the sponsor of Chiaro, "Israel Seed Partners" and his start-up
MobileAccess will install an US House of Representatives communications
system ?

Response: "Political conflict of interest?" Reaching and spinning
...for that has nothing to do with me. Are you paranoid? I would have
that system removed if I were in office and not allow any Israel spying on
the U.S. Recently joined a group that wants to have AIPAC declared a
foreign lobby - see www.cnionline.org < http://www.cnionline.org/, I am a
member. Does that answer your question, as pointless as the question is?



12) Are you using the campaign on revealing the "truth about 9/11"
in
any way as a revenge on private US military - or intelligence contractors,
who sabotaged you in the past?

Response: No, my activities are due to what they are doing to the US
and the world and raising the debate up to their level until they choke on
it. I have overcome many fold what they did to me in the past. It was
what
I did in the past that keeps me right in their face with the truth. Read
my
book or quit asking lame questions that waste time.

They run from me and my team. They laugh at you, Rosalee and Gerard.
Move
on.

13) Why do you ignore in your articles, that the official story
about
flight 11, 175, 77 and 93 is a LIE. These flights either did not exist,
did
not depart or departed at different times, in opposite to official story.

Response: that is your opinion, not ours. We have FAA people that
have come forward with some interesting facts. We do not buy the official
story either, but for reasons other than those your group seems to
believe.

14) Last, but not least. Why did you announce to run as president?
Are
you not giving people false hope, who are aware of rigged e-voting
machine,
furthermore why you ignore documents and plans of pending world war "4",
which might even start before the next election? Means, why you pretend,
that democracy still exist, instead already replaced by fascism? For
which
party do you wanna run? Is this decision really a protection strategy
et...
??

Response: No, actually people in the millions are standing up right
now for the first time in a long time due to my efforts and those of
others.
I have now done 2 TV shows (more coming), 111 radio shows and many more
scheduled. We will be announcing very soon an endorsement that tops 4
million people in a single group.

We are about to launch a plan to take back the elections. Black Box
voting
had a board member at my announcement May 2. They have read the plan I
developed and endorsed it once they read it. I did let them develop the
strategy for addressing the vote fraud and how to remedy that.

We are about to launch a 50-state plan to expose the sheer sleaze in our
government at the state and federal level.

Fascism is the problem and we will be dealing with that head on, out on
the
front lines instead of these endless emails and web posts that serve no
purpose. I announced to lift this discussion up to their level, not the
"waste of time" level most of the 9-11 groups are stuck on.

We are forming a new third party and people from all over the US are
coming
>from all existing parties to join our effort, including DNC and RNC. This
summer I speak before the Texas Constitution Party and some major Texas
Libertarians have joined our movement as have many others from every state
in the US. Have people already working on VT and NH, will be traveling
there soon.

It is not a protection strategy. I am putting my life on the line and so
are many others. We have full time armed security being put into place
at
multiple sites and more being put into place very soon after that...

Saturday, June 4th

Karl Schwarz still refused to answer:

:The link to a 737 with a wingspan of 115 ft 8 in
:Whether he is again claiming that an A3 has a wingspan of 48 ft
:The link to Bush's response to his letter of demand.
:Whether he is still blaming Flocco for the " typos " in your article.
:Why he claim to be presenting MIHOP evidence, while at the same time,
promoting views which claim S11 was due to the "negligence of a selected
few" and systematic "failures to prevent " it.
:Why he sent three bogus links in relation to your bogus 737 claim:
:Why he simultaneously claimed that the 737 was on the net and was not on
the net.
:what documentation he has in relation to his claims about the origin of
the Cheney hit. (That "someone told you " doesn't count.)
:The link to his earliest publication alleging Govt complicity in S11
:Any significant alleged fact in any of his "research" which does not
depend upon personal hearsay from you, but is verifiable through a checkable
source available in the public domain.


He furthermore still didn't disclose the name of the "firm", affiliated with US Intelligence,
which was in negotiations with his shell CommAxxess, successor of
Global Axxess.
He also didn't respond on why he's running as a president, ignoring rigged elections and e-voting machines and documents on plans for WW4, around neo con thinktanks.

He furthermore didn't disclose, where his attorney is registered.
He also clearly refused to explain, why his first company didn't have an own domain, but listed at tripod but came up with a hillarious explanation (see above)

We're waiting, Karl...

For the past week or two I've been having a list email debate with Schwarz, exposing what a pathetic liar he is. He's told so many whoppers during this debate, that I can hardly scratch the surface here, but I'll pick out one particular aspect as an example.

Recently, Tom Flocco's website published an article on behalf of Schwarz continuing Schwarz's ridiculous spin that "his team" has discovered parts of an A3 sky warrior at the pentagon as opposed to a 757.

Just to clarify things, I am by no means supporting the Govt story. In fact I played an important early role in helping to prove that no plane of anywhere near the size of a 757 could have possibly hit the pentagon.

 http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/witness.html
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/physical.html
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/1177.html

Schwarz's totally unsourced, hearsay driven claim of an A3 sky warrior is a pathetic attempt to co-opt those who know the Govt is lying into a false direction. You can see the Flocco article at

 link to www.tomflocco.com

However, this article is not the same as it was when it was originally published. Two important things have been changed. The original article contained two premeditated lies from Schwarz which were then changed after I confronted him about them on the list.

In the section where the article states the wingspans of an A3 and a 737 you will now see the correct figures - 72 ft 6 in and 93 ft to 112 ft 6 in , depending on the variety, respectively.

But this was not what the article originally contained. The reasons why Schwarz originally lied about these specifications will be best saved for a separate comment, and I'm not sure that people who are not fully up on all the details will understand the significance, but the important thing to note here is that Schwarz lied several times, and then told more lies to try to cover it up.

In the original article, the wingspan of an A3 was given as 48 ft. How does 72 ft 6 in become 48 ft, one might ask ?

In the original article the wingspan of a 737 was given as 148 ft. How does 93 ft become 148 ft ? Or alternatively, how does 112ft 6 in become 148 ft ? Why is only one figure given, for a craft which has multiple figures ?

These figures clearly cannot be typos. For some reason, Schwarz has deliberately understated the wingspan of an A3 and overstated the wingspan of a 737, hoping that casual readers, unfamiliar with the correct figures, would not check. Schwarz of course provided no links with the figures, as a further disincentive for curious readers to check the figures.

As I said before, I will save the likely motivation for these lies for a separate comment.

After I wrote to the list, pointing out these errors, Schwarz and I were having a private insult trading session, and I sarcastically asked him what was the wingspan of the two respective craft. Schwarz's reply was interesting. He gave me the correct figure for the A3 ( bear in mind that I had already exposed his incorrect figure to the list at this time), but yet another incorrect figure for a 737 - 115 ft 8 in.

In response I asked him two questions.

1) Why the article contained incorrect figures if he knew the correct figures
2)What link he could supply me for the new figure he had suddenly come up with for a 737

He completely ignored the second question, and in reply to the first said

"typos his end not "my BS", prick", clearly implying that he had given Flocco the correct figures and that Flocco had misrepresented him.

The answer was ludicrous. For a start, how could those figures possibly be typos ? Secondly, if the mistake was Flocco's, how could Schwarz possibly know and so confidently the state the reason why Flocco was so wildly out from what Schwarz had told him? Thirdly, in an article which contains no other typos, we are expected to believe that just those selected figures were so wildly out that the article would have been totally unreadable if the same standards had been applied to the rest of it.

So in response, I asked to him to confirm that he was indeed claiming that he had given the correct figure to Flocco and that Flocco had misrepresented him. He refused to reply. Since then, I have asked the same question another 6 times, and each time he has refused to reply.

If Flocco really had so wildly misrepresented him, Schwarz would not be sitting there in sullen silence, refusing to confirm or deny. So its clear that after I exposed the "error" - or more correctly the lie - Schwarz originally intended to replay Flocco's trust by pinning the error on him if he could get away with it, but then back peddled slightly when he realized how thoroughly I was documenting his replies.

Meanwhile, he had supplied a link for the 737 figure, with the snide remark
"have you thought about www.boeing.com you researcher you ?

This was my reply.

"Indeed I have, but for those present who can't be bothered going past the front page, which is the link you gave and actually going to the technical specifications section

 http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/technical.html

I'm sorry to have to inform you that it says 112 ft 7 in. for 737 900 and 800

And this link

 http://www.answers.com/topic/boeing-737

lists other varieties which are 93 ft. So what was the link for 115 ft 8 in ? "

In reply, Schwarz sent the same link again, trying to pretend that it was a different link, by tacking the completely meaningless words "particular model" on to the end of the link.

I pointed out that this was just the same link, and again asked for a correct one.

He then came up with another completely bogus link, one which contained no such figure, but managed to waste more of my time, because it was a lengthy article and I read through it several times to make sure that no such figure was mentioned. Upon sending this link , he crowed victoriously about what a dill I was, as if the previous two bogus links were erased from history.

When I pointed out that this link also contained no such figure, he then lied again, claiming that it did, and again crowing what an idiot I was.

When I again insisted that it did not, he suddenly flushed that one down the memory hole too, insisting that he was not going to do my work for me, and that if I couldn't find the link , that was my problem.

He claimed that it was "there" (somewhere) and the fact that I couldn't find it showed what a crappy researcher I was and he wasn't going to supply it.

When I insisted further, he then suddenly claimed that it came from a source which wasn't linked on the net anyway, which showed what an idiot I was for assuming that it was.

When I asked to clarify the contradiction between his insistence that the link was "there" somewhere, and the sudden back flip to the position that it wasn't, he refused to reply.

I've now asked for the link about 20 times in the list debate. He now simply refuses to answer. I actually did a thorough google search anyway, and found no such specs for a 737.

So to summarize:

His original article contained two premeditated lies. When these were exposed, he told two more to try to cover them, firstly that they were typos, secondly that the mistake was Flocco's.

Then he made another error for whatever reason, and then tried to cover this by sending a bogus link. When that was exposed, he sent the same link, clumsily trying to disguise it as a different one. When that was exposed he sent another bogus link. When that was exposed he lied that it was actually correct. When that was exposed he claimed that it wasn't his responsibility to supply any documentation for his claim, but it was on the web if I looked for it. When that was challenged he suddenly claimed that it was a non web source. When I asked him to clarify his position he refused.

Now - what I've just outlined is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of the whoppers he's been telling, and the total bankruptcy of any claim he has to be doing anything remotely resembling "research". He just makes stuff up, and tries to sell it through a personality cult of froth and self promotion. Jared Israel once used the wonderful phrase "bombast and swagger" as Mike Ruppert's substitute for real research, and I can't think of a better phrase to describe Schwarz.

As I said, the whoppers are too many to list here, but I thought that by focusing on that particular thread it might provide a telling demonstration of what a shallow fraud this idiot is.

Having established that Schwarz told a calculated lie in citing the wingspan of an A3 as 48 ft, when he knew it was 72 ft 6 in, we ask - why did he tell these lies ?

For anyone who had examined the arguments, it's been obvious since mid 2002 that whatever struck the pentagon was much smaller than a 757. The proof for this did not derive from any direct evidence about what the object was, rather it came from solid proofs about what it could not have been.

Schwarz played no role whatsoever in contributing to these proofs, and no role whatsoever in distributing the work of those who did, or in arguing the proofs in public forums to help establish the evidence in people's minds beyond its early "loony fringe " status.

By the time that Schwarz suddenly appeared as self proclaimed hero, the situation was that there were a significant number of people who had known for some time that there was absolute proof that the 757 story was a lie. Exactly how many we can't say, but enough to provoke a continuing spin campaign from the supporters of the official story, and even for glimpses of the issue to occasionally be seen in mainstream media - usually cast in the role of the mad conspiracy theory which was in need of debunking.

It would have been clear that there were large numbers of people who were never going to be converted to the official story no matter how ingenious the counter spin. So the complimentary strategy was to coopt as many as possible of these people in some way which limited their value in understanding and spreading the truth.

Schwarz would have been aware that many of these people would have been frustrated that such undeniable proof could have been blocked from the mainstream media and shunned by the political and legal system. They knew the truth - now they wanted to see signs of the political will to act upon it.

When I say "knew the truth" - they knew what *didn't* hit the building, but there was no convincing theory for the exact ID of what did. All we could say for certain, is that it was something quite small - probably not a plane at all, but if there were to be any chance that it was, then it must have been very small. There are some who contend that there was no striking object at all, and that it was done with planted explosives.

So, as these people cried out for a hero, they were vulnerable to somebody who could appear to move the issue along by claiming to have found the next level - exactly what *did* hit the building.

Clearly anybody fabricating such a claim would need to make the object as small as possible in order to appear as plausible as possible to this group of people. After all, one of the most striking proofs that it was not a 757 - although it is by no means the only one - is that such a large wingspan had zero chance of disappearing through such a small hole.


For those who have their thinking caps on, it's obvious that a plane with a 72 ft wingspan is no more plausible than a 125 ft wingspan. However, it is inevitable that there will be some, swept up in the excitement of a new development, who would be taken in by the prospect of a plane with a significantly smaller wingspan - being positively IDd from the site.

For the person concocting the scam, its obvious that the smaller they can make the wingspan, the more people will be taken in.

IMO, a 48 ft wingspan is still not plausible, but there is no doubt that there would some who wouldn't buy a 72 ft wingspan, but might accept a 48 ft wingspan.

And Karl Schwarz does not write for the critical thinker and meticulous checker. He writes for the casual reader, the agenda driven, the stupid, the careless and the inexperienced. I don't use all of these terms pejoratively. In the case of someone who, only a few weeks ago, became aware of the no 757 evidence and was new to web activism and didn't have the experience to know that you have to check for bullshit - and the first stage of that is to carefully check verification standards - and wouldn't conceive of the idea that someone pretending to expose the truth about Sept 11 is actually trying to cover it up - they could easily fall for the shallow unreferenced hearsay that characterizes Schwarz's writings. I know this from experience. When I was new to this, I initially fell for the writings of Mike Ruppert, a very similar sort of writer with similarly poor standards, and it took time before I gained the experience to see through him.

Fortunately, I had the contrasting example of Jared Israel www.tenc.net a writer who is meticulous with his verification standards to help me learn how real researchers put their information together.

So Schwarz is writing for the kind of reader who would not dismiss something because of its lack of verification standards and who would not think to check for themselves whether his alleged facts were correct. They simply wouldn't imagine that someone could tell such a blatent lie and expect to get away with it.

By lying about the wingspan of the A3 - making it out to be much smaller than it really was, Schwarz aimed to make his claim to have identified the object as plausible to as many people as possible.

Of course, I can't prove beyond doubt that this was his motivation for lying, its simply the most logical deduction I can come with up. The only person who knows for absolute certain why he lied is Schwarz, (and anybody else who may have conspired with him) and he's not going to tell us.

He's still desperately pleading that it was a typo. Heh !

72 ft 6 in being accidentally mistyped as 48 ft !

We have established that Schwarz told a premeditated lie about the wingspan of an A3, in a manner calculated to give the impression that it was a much smaller craft than what it actually is. I have suggested a likely motivation - to try to make the A3 seem as plausible as possible to the uncritical reader, given the small hole in the pentagon wall.

We have also established that Schwarz told a premeditated lie about the wingspan of a 737. The correct wingspan is 93 ft to 112ft 6 in, depending on the variety. Schwarz cited it as 148 ft. Once again, this cannot possibly be a typo. So here we see Schwarz now making a calculated effort to give the uncritical reader the impression that a 737 is a significantly larger craft than it really is. What could be the motivation for such a lie ?

The suggestion below is perhaps a little more debatable than the theory I offered in relation to his lie about the A3, but I think it is worth considering.

Just as the Pentagon no 757 evidence emerged from "loony fringe status" to now being accepted by significant numbers of people, it is clear that the proof that no big planes hit the WTC, pioneered by Webfairy,  http://thewebfairy.com/911 ) is now on the same path. Its progress in the minds of the many is still embryonic compared to that of the pentagon issue, but there is no doubt that it has taken huge strides in the last year, and is now causing defenders of the official story some serious alarm.

So much so, that the half truth compromise stories have already appeared. For example, the ridiculous "pod" theory which contends that they were large jets but just adapted to fire missiles. In order to try to cover the trail of truth which WF has blazed, the debunkers are already reduced to at least conceding that that they were not the planes we've been told (which is something I suppose ).

Note: For those not familiar with this work, which I believe to be probably the most important S11 discoveries so far, there were no planes hitting the WTC.
The Nth tower object doesn;t even look like a plane

 http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/planevideos.html

and the Sth tower object which superficially looks like a large passenger jet, is in fact a fake video. Its a movie. No planes hit any buildings. It was a war of the worlds con job.

 link to thewebfairy.com

The irony of the pod theory is that it was WF who first noticed the anomaly in the shape of the "plane", and after suffering endless ridicule on this, as well as the rest of her work, others then suddenly took that tiny aspect of her work, called it the "pod", extrapolated it into a whole theory and wrote WF and the rest of her work out the story, thereby claiming the "pod" to be their "smoking gun" discovery.

Schwarz has been as vicious in his denunciation of WF as any of the debunkers. And he has joined the "substitute large plane " bandwagon in opposition to the pod people, by claiming that the Sth tower object is a 737.

Once again, the spinners are at least forced to admit that it wasn't the plane we've been told, so they are retreating to the next level of defence.

In order to examine why Schwarz would find it advantageous to deliberately overstate the wingspan of the plane which he is claiming hit the WTC, it becomes necessary to look at one of the favourite counter spin arguments which has been used against WF by those who support the idea that it was a large plane - if not a 767, then at least one of similar proportions. Some of these debunkers are happy to concede that it may not have been the plane which the govt tells us, or perhaps not even a 767, but contend that it was at least a plane of very similar size.

Their argument is that the slash in the WTC approximately matches the dimensions of a 767 wingspan. Indeed it does. As I've argued in other places, and am happy to argue here again if necessary, the approximate 767 wingspan dimension of the slash is actually proof that it could not have been a plane of that size, and if anybody wishes to have that argument again, I'm happy to prove it yet again.

But leaving that aside for the moment, what is relevant to the question of why Schwarz lied to inflate the size of a 737 wingspan, would appear to be that by bringing the 737's alleged wingspan much closer to that of the 767, and much closer to the dimensions of the WTC slash, Schwarz is able to argue that the wingspan of a 737 is close enough to the size of the slash in the WTC.

Thus he is able to still use the debunker's favourite argument against WF, while simultaneously appealing to those who accept, or at least suspect that it something other than the flights we are told hit the buildings.

So Schwarz is setting himself up as the "discoverer" of what really hit both the pentagon and the WTC, in a manner which satisfies both those who refuse to accept that it was all a war of the world's con job and those who accept MIHOP at some level.

Once again, my theory as to why Schwarz lied about the 737 is not absolutely provable, but I think it fits the pattern of his spin quite well.

So what have is this.

Schwarz told a premeditated lie to inflate the size of a 737 and reduce the size of an A3.

The lie about the A3 makes his spin on the pentagon object appear to the uncritical reader to be more plausible.

The lie about the 737 makes his spin on the WTC object appear to the uncritical reader to be more plausible.

Again, we can't be certain exactly why Schwarz lied, because he wont tell us. He's still desperately pleading that it was a typo.

Heh! 93 ft gets mistyped as 148 ft ?

112 ft gets mistyped as 148 ft ?

112ft 6 in get mistyped as 148 ft ?

For those who couldn't stand wading through to the end of that crud by Flocco on behalf of Schwarz,

 link to www.tomflocco.com

its worth a read because the last section is quite interesting.

This could be just another piece of spin from con-man Schwarz, but let's just assume for the moment that he's telling approximately the truth. If so, then it reveals that Schwarz is an arms dealer - a peddler of death. It appears that his fury against the Bushies is basically a fit of pique that rival dealer of death Lockheed- Martin got a contract ahead of him.

This is what the article says.

[[Schwarz is the CEO of a company which designs remote control/UAVs for the U.S. Army and had a $392 million dollar Defense Department order for 32 UAVs canceled "because they would see too much over in Iraq, and because we could put in a fleet of them for what our competition was paying for a couple."

Lockheed-Martin's Missiles and Fire Control Systems UAV used in Iraq is called the Predator, which costs $45 million for each unit, has three sensors and requires a crew of 55 individuals to operate one of them, according to Schwarz.

"Our Project Medusa has 11 high-powered sensors that can all operate simultaneously, can stay aloft at least 24 hours, has the world's most advanced hyper-spectral system augmented by two technologies to speed up pixel analysis and detect minute anomalies in the field of view (FOV) if the operator is paying attention or not, or if his human eyes cannot even see the detail that the software detects and highlights for the operator to zoom in on," said the UAV corporate CEO.

"A crew of 55 is required to operate 5 Medusa Skypods simultaneously. A single pilot operator flies them from a single laptop or personal computer. In short, 55 operators running 55 high powered sensors with far more processing and pixel engine detection power versus 55 operators running a single Predator and only one sensor capable of running at a time. The five Medusas cost about $65 million each but have far more technology capabilities and at any given time cover a far larger area with more visual assets, " said Schwarz.

"In short, they are not toys. They even have AIM 100 lasing devices and can light up targets up to 30 miles in all directions fro air strikes, artillery, mortar, or helicopters to dispose of problems...The combined area of coverage, and the number of troops they could possibly protect if all of the pet [Defense Department] aerostats were airborne at the same time, or not riddled full of machine gun holes, is about the area that a single Medusa Skypod covers...we are at least one to two years ahead of Lockheed in HAA technology...To my group it was an honor to have been asked and we proved we could deliver only to get jerked around by bureaucrats for months protecting pet projects [like the vastly inferior Lockheed Predator]. (One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas: A Conservative Republican Speaks Out, by Karl W. B. Schwarz, Reichenbach Publishing Company, 2004, p. 379 [821 pages])

Karl Schwarz is concerned that the Defense Department is protecting favorite pet projects instead of seeking the very best equipment to provide air security and support for America's young warriors: "We also turned down some business to have the priority slot available, for we surely thought someone in our Army would care about saving more lives."

"They didn't want civilians involved because the army would have to hire us to show them how to operate the UAVs, he said, offering further that "they had a fellow named John Geddes who was totally unable to evaluate the effectiveness and efficiency of our Medusa system versus the Predator system made by Lockheed-Martin--one of their pet projects group."

Schwarz added, "and all this remote control/UAV testing was being done at Fort Collins-Loveland Airport around the same time the A-3 Sky Warriors were being refitted before September 11!"

"They were watching every move I made when I was at Fort Collins," said Schwarz, adding "they also had a lot of freight hangers and warehouses--a lot of regular warehousing, which I thought strange for a small civilian airport." ]]

Boo hoo ! KS lost a $392 million contract to kill people, because of the corrupt Admin, and now he's out for revenge.

As I've been saying for a while, everyone and their dog is going to try to use S11 for their own agenda and this includes some people who are just as bad as those who carried it out, and are just bitter that they're not getting their share of the action. These people will construct their own version of the truth - one which may contain such elements of truth as are convenient to their agenda - one which targets their political enemies. In Schwarz's case this is the admin which screwed him out of $392 million worth of corpses. Nice guy.

Unless it's the lesser crime of just more self -aggrandizing bullshit.

So that's our choice about what to believe about Karl Schwarz - arms dealer or liar. Actually, we've already shown him to be a liar anyway. The only question is whether he's also an arms dealer. Even assuming he isn't, his pretence to be one tells us something about the person.

Grand dreams of being a big arms dealer in competition with Lockeed-Martin !

Interview of Karl Schwarz
John Stadtmiller Radio Show
April 8, 2005
www.rbnlive.com archives
We have, just in the last 72 hours, received not one but two new videos of 9/11. One of them was shot from the East River side, from way over across the river. The guy has actually zoomed in when the first building was hit. And then for some inexplicable reason, he zoomed out and did not get a real good image of the second plane coming in. But he did get a real good shot of the explosion that was set off. He was evidently at an elevated position, somewhere on the eastside of the East River. And that video is in the process of being picked apart and analyzed right now.

- This was released April 8th of 05, so where is the incredibly sharp TV quality you ask ???
- right here...
-  http://karlschwarz.com/candidate.html
- thumbnials !!! (HA HA )

About 3 - 3 ½ weeks ago, we became aware - because it was inserted in a movie - we became aware of some other footage of 9/11 that is not out here spreading around on any of the websites.
*You know, nobody has picked it apart. Nobody has analyzed it. *
And we finally found out where that video came from. We tracked down its producer. We tracked down the guy who shot it. We know exactly where he was standing when he shot it. And what got his attention was, of course, the impact on the north tower. He was filming that. And we are talking about some incredibly sharp TV quality video. When he zoomed in on the north tower, you can actually see five people jump out the windows where flames were leaping from those windows. You can actually tell what color slacks they were wearing, what color shirt - you know that type of imaging and that type of clarity. But he just happened to have kept his camera trained on that. He zoomed back out. All of a sudden, here comes streaking in that second plane that impacted the south tower.

- Karl says he became aware of the video 3 weeks before this interview in Apr 05...
 http://911index.0catch.com/video-flight175.html

- original is here is did right after the Cheney video came out, probabally a year ago...
 http://911index.0catch.com//cheney-2nd-hit.html
- I cant afford to upgrade my 850Mhz processor, but Karl and his millions cant do better than these
- thumbnails, then he calls us amateurs ? (HA HA HA)


Now so far, I've looked at every one of the videos there is out there. We've analyzed it. And all we've been able to come up with is it is a type of plane that has two engines under the wings. But you couldn't blow it up and actually verify what it was. You couldn't tell if it was a 737 or a 767. In this new video, we have 39 individual frames of this airplane, as it is closing in from the field of view, you know what the lens is seeing, and impacting the building. Thirty-nine individual stills of this plane. So we have some very good imaging - looking right up at it. And there is some interesting things to disclose about that plane.

- Karl can tell all that from his thumbnails ?
- He has better eyes than I do...


we are analyzing each one of those thirty-nine images. We know exactly where this photographer was standing. So we can measure the base - from the base of the World Trade Center to his footprints. We can measure the height of the impact and calculate the hypotenuse, simple geometry, very accurately. And we are going to superimpose over this particular airplane what a 737 and a 707, modified with two engines instead of four. And also, a 767 looks like. And I think when those people - we've already distributed this out. And we've got some experts working on what I've just described. When people see the answers to that right there in front of their eyes, I think they are going to understand to what extent we've all been lied to. And some people in Washington and some people in New York City have an awful lot of answering to do.

- Still waiting ??? (so what was the hypotenuse ?)

=========================

JS: The story by Jon Carlson, "WTC Jet Engine Confirmed Not from Boeing 767." Karl, have you seen this one?

KS: Yes, Jon Carlson is one of the researcher who has been working with me for about the last nine months - of trying to dissect out and prove that the visible jet engine components laying around out there in New York City, and also down at the Pentagon, don't jibe with the official story.


- So where is the confirmation ? (hence the title?)


[... ] [the Pentagon]

KS: The A3 Skywarrior is the only smaller airplane. We're talking smaller than a 757, 767, smaller than a 737 that has twin engines hanging under the wings. We have found eyewitnesses that saw the plane. And they said it had two engines hanging under the wing, that it was much smaller than a 737. Every time you see Southwest Air - 737s. That's what they fly. The only other airframe out there that is till operational is an A3 - a process of elimination. Then we went back - you remember when that picture was taken at the Pentagon of the people carrying the wing out?

JS: Yeah

- NO NO ? ? I dont remeber seeing a picture of a wing? where is it ?
- Why are you holding it back ?

KS: There's a lot you can tell about the shape of that wing even though it is underneath that blue tarp. That wing is a configuration of an A3, not a 757.


- So where are the photos from UNDER the blue tarp ?
- Where did he get them ?
- Why hasnt he published them ?


JS: Well and Karl, using common sense, you know I am sitting here right now looking at pictures from the Pentagon and this is shortly after rescue and fire showed up. Where is the debris for a full sized aircraft? Where is it?

KS: Well they found a couple of seats. But guess how many seats an A3 has? Maximum number of seats is seven. The normal number of seats is five.

JS: Karl, I have seen...

KS: They only found several seats. And they only found two wheels.


- SEATS ? WHERE ? SHOW ME ONE F** PHOTO OF A SEAT AT THE PENTAGON ????
- trying to CONFIRM that a plane hit the pentagon are we?
- Lying to do it are we ?
- Until i see a photo of a seat at the pentagon, i consider this disinformation at its finest.


KS: There was one other component. You remember when they were doing the clean up, when FEMA was doing the clean up - not the National Transportation Safety Board but FEMA was doing the clean up over at the Pentagon. If you look real close at one of those photographs, not only do you see the rotor hub that we've been trying to identify for quite some time. In the background you can actually see part of the jet cowling. You can prove this from the diameter of that jet cowling, that that did not come off of a 757. It came off of a much smaller component. And Jon Carlson, who wrote that article, that you were citing on Jeff Rense, he actually went to a museum to track down whether there was actually a JP8D on display.

JS: And I'm looking at that photograph as we speak also.


- insert, this is what they are speaking of...
-
 http://www.rense.com/general63/ident.htm

- Now, this guy goes to a museum and takes a photo of this....
 http://www.rense.com/general63/Display7.jpg
-

- and says that that THIS is that engine...
 http://www.rense.com/general63/Pentagon_JT8DC.jpg

- i dont see and engine at all, much less the ability to make out what kind of plane it came from.
- that is reaching at best. I could just as easily say its a missile casing
- so this is the research that is suposedly BETTER than ours ? HA !

- (I believe this is part of a trailer)
- Information on the trailer can be found here...
-  http://investigate911.bravehost.com/trailer.html

- i put this photo on physics911 in febuary of 2004...
 http://physics911.ca/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23
-

KS: And he went and took multiple photographs of that particular jet engine. And then we started tracking it from there. And the funny thing is, as soon as we raised all these issues about content blocking, all of a sudden content blocking was lifted.

------------------


Two air traffic controllers came forward and started talking. Both of the flights that took off that supposedly hit the World Trade Center were actually directed to the east and they disappeared in a single sweep of the radar out over the Atlantic


We have a report of an airplane crash on the Kentucky - Ohio border." Not Pennsylvania, where 93 went down. We're talking about the Kentucky - Ohio border. And that's what he was describing. And then he was shut up

- So where are they? Who are they? has the FBI interviewed them ?
- ive seen absolutely nothing but claims from someone with a shady background.
- Where is the report of the plane crash ?

 http://physics911.ca/modules/weblog/details.php?blog_id=60

In an earlier post "Karl Schwarz - arms dealer or liar " , I alluded to the fact that Schwarz is an arms dealer. Of if he's not, then he's lying, boasting about an imaginery atcivity - one which he obviously considers to be worthy.

When questioned about this during the email debate, to which I earlier referred , Schwarz claimed that the purpose of this business venture was actually patriotic - to save American lives. That's right. The $392 million involved had nothing to do with it. Of course...

Let's assume once again that when boasting about this deal, Schwarz is in the unfamiliar territory of telling the truth. If so, then the following excerpt from his spin is interesting. Bear in mind that it is made in the context of Schwarz complaining that he lost a contract to sell 32 UAV's to the US army. You can see that in my earlier post, where I quote Schwarz more fully.

But having made that claim, Scwarz also complains

[["We also turned down some business to have the priority slot available, for we surely thought someone in our Army would care about saving more lives." ]]

Other business ? So someone else - other than the US army wanted to buy these UAV's which Schwarz claims are at the cutting edge of high - tech warfare.
And it appears that Schwarz was perfectly willing to sell to them, and only turned the offer down because he thought that the US army had already spoken for his full production capacity. And when that deal fell through, it was too late to rescue the other "business".

Perhaps, I've misinterpreted the statement, and there's a more innocent explanation? Well if so, Schwarz is less than keen to supply it.

Because before posting this, I asked Schwarz 3 times to explain the statement. I got silence. In my third request, I warned him that it was his last chance to submit an alternative explanation, otherwise, I'd publish the apparent admission by Schwarz - indeed boasting, rather than admission - that he's not only an arms dealer, but that he'll sell to anyone.

So here we have an aspiring President, who is an arms dealer, doesn't care who he sells to, and doesn't consider it his duty to disclose to his would be subjects and underlings who he's selling to.

Does this sound familiar ?

Myself, I think most of it just bullshit. Given the hilarious "response" to Madame Karnak, and his total buffoonery in handling the questions posed by Nico and myself, it's hard to imagine this idiot being a high flying arms dealer.

But what is relevant is that this person is either extremely evil or an habitual liar - and quite possibly both. And he's making some rather big claims about S11 - like finding what actually hit the pentagon and what really hit the WTC.

Schwarz's gutter character wouldn't matter in relation to that stuff if he had solid independent evidence, checkable in the public domain. Such evidence transcends the character or reputation of the person who digs it up. For example, If I was a shady character, it wouldn;t make any difference to the fact that the BTS records don't show AA11 or 77. You can check it in the public domain. If Jared Israel was a shady character, it wouldnt have any effect on the validity of the documentation he exposed on the mythical Langley scramble. If Rosalee Grable was a shady person, it still wouldnt put a plane into the Nth tower video.

Conversely, even if all of us were known to be of exemplary character, it would still be worthless hearsay for any of us to claim " I know this because because sources who cannot be named for security reasons have come forward ". The supposed evidence then becomes nothing more than a personality cult - to trust or not to trust the person making the hearsay claims.

So with schwarz, we have the worst of both worlds. A gutter level liar, involved in shady activities - to put it nicely - who presents no evidence other than his word - for anything.

As we've seen, his word as worth about as much as the three bogus links which he trierd to pass off as containing his false specifications for a 737.

Karl Schwarz finally revealed the name of the "firm", close to an intelligence agency, which was in negotiations with his company, as mentioned above and archived in his own letter at the FCC.

It was In-q-tel ( http://www.in-q-tel.org/), at least that's what Schwarz claimed today.
I didn't alter anything of his answer.


--- Karl W B Schwarz < kwbschwarz@comcast.net> wrote
[June 21, 2005]:

> In-Q-Tel, CIA venture capital arm.
>
> We did not accept their deal.
>
> MOVE ON
>
> Karl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nico Haupt [mailto: nicohaupt2@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:39 AM
....




My personal case with Schwarz is therefore closed for now.

I'm not interested in 2-3 other vaguely answered questions anymore, because this was the more interesting piece for me.

For the record: Schwarz never really responded to Gerard Holmgren's questions.
5 weeks ago, 30 9/11 researchers got invited into a CC-group, confronting him with our questions.

Most of his answers showed, that Schwarz has personal and business reasons within the 9/11 "truth" movement. His profile should speak for himself.

nico haupt aka ewing2001

This 911 truth movement is constipated! "Follow the money"
has given way to "Follow the patsies". "Consider the source"
has become "Don't consider the content"!

Isn't it a well-known disinformation tactic that if a person's
work or info cannot be discredited, then the person must be?

Now that Karl's been labeled and smeared and derided and
"caught with his pants down" and had his bubble popped and
character assassinated here, all I want to know is this:

SPECIFICALLY what, if anything, is suspect about
the information and conclusions contained in
 http://www.karlschwarz.com/02-02-05_Schwarz.pdf ????????????!!!!!!!!!!!
(In it, Karl shows that the jet engine and other aircraft
parts, which show up in photos of Pentagon wreckage, did
not come from a 757)

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/316680.shtml
9/11 -Karl Schwarz -Spook or Strutter?
Update December 2005

I'm glad to see, that Karl Schwarz is "resigning From The 2008 Race"

 link to www.shaunamckay.com

However Schwarz still seems to confuse too many things.

1)
Resigning means shutting the mouth, not spamming since then 24/7 via
his "PR manager" Jon Carlson.

2)
Schwarz writes in his "farewell", that he met me at "9-11-2004 event funded by Jimmy Walter, Confronting the Evidence"
That is true, but we spoke only some seconds and i didn't even identify myself, as far as i recall.
After that we corresponded either via other mailing groups and in some rare exceptions 1:1.

He claims, that i am "a chronic alcoholic".

That is untrue and actually very funny. I barely drink at all, have no time for it,
and can't even remember the last time, when i was drunk :)
He must have confused me with "Jolly Roger", who runs (or used to run) 9/11 Truth Action.
Jolly Roger was also at this event, obviously met Schwarz as well.

Roger is indeed a confessed alcoholic, but when clean, occasionally a brilliant writer.
Roger helped me distributing the "9/11 Science and Justice Alliance" brochures, but later got kicked out,
because he was too drunk :)

It speaks against Schwarz, if he doesn't get personalities straight.
I am sure many 9/11 truth activists and -researchers occasionally take drugs or psycho pharmacas, but i am
not one of them. I boycott pharma products almost a decade and don't take even aspirine.
I also still believe, the german beer tastes better than the US beer and i hate wine.

3)
Schwarz claims, there is a "webfairy group".
I am not aware that Webfairy aka Rosalee Grable ever surrounded a group regarding her topics around her.
Possibly also because she was sabotaged of doing so.
Actually the group, which she succesfully runs right now, is Planehuggers Yahoo, and the associates, Schwarz might
refer to, are not even members of this group.

It is however true, that Grable is still member of "9/11 Science and Justice Alliance", where we respectfully
allow any kind of scientific analysis, even if some members respectfully disagree.
I was co-founder of this group, in 2002/03, together with Jeff "Plaguepuppy" King, who was one of the most
impressive speakers of this Jimmy Walter event.
Grable furthermore moderates or participates in other groups, which she doesn't own, but works as a respectful correspondent.
It's also true, though not mentioned by Schwarz, that i respect Grable's research very much and do not tolerate smear campaigns against her research.


4)
Schwarz continues to claim, that he is not an "arms dealer".
He says, that "we did not sell anything to the Department of Defense".

Ironically this is what Schwarz contradicts by himself:
"...My connections to defense and intelligence related persons are communications security based or nanotechnology...."

Here he confirms his contacts to defense.
Since Schwarz claims, he is a specialist in nano science,
he obviously refers to nanotechnology as an important part of the Department of Defense, including Nanoweaponry.
In 2001 the US invested 125 million USD in nanotechnology initiatives for the Department of Defense (DoD), since then growing.

Schwarz furthermore still ignores, that he confirmed on June 21, 2005, that he was in negotiations with In-Q-Tel, a CIA venture capital arm.
He stated: "We did not accept their deal".

5)
Schwarz says, that i found a "Karl Schwarz" in Germany who was involved in Lockheed test flights and claims,
i confused this Schwarz with him.
That is untrue. Actually i implied, that the "US Schwarz" seems to have turned into a parody of this "german schwarz",
because as i wrote correctly, this german Schwarz "is interestingly a turbine specialist as well"

I asked this as a question and pulled it of my list, when he explained, that he is not associated with him.
Schwarz is confusing questions with conclusions.

6)
Schwarz continues to think, that his lies are becoming stronger by continuing a character association with the lie,
that i am "a man who stays drunk more than he does sober".

I will give him here the benefit of a doubt and still believe, he confused me with Jolly Roger.
He can trust me on the following:
Every ny911truth activists who meanwhile do not agree with me anymore, including board members of 911truth.org,
who met me dozens of time, would have picked up the same character assassination against me, if true :)


7)
Schwarz quotes Einstein: "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results"
I am not aware, that i did anything "over and over again".
Actually my weakest link is, that i am interested in too many things at the same time and currently still too busy
with team8plus.org to confront an unimportant con artist like Schwarz again.

8)
Schwarz thinks it is somehow 'patriotic' to run for office, but still can't explain, how he wanted to deal
with rigged e-voting machines from Sequoia, ES+S and Co, plus the de-facto fascist situation in this country.
Schwarz is a false hope campaigner, deceiving his naive supporters into sophisticated garbage, which has nothing to do
with honest 9/11 research or -activism.

9)
Schwarz claims, he was "the only person at the 9-11-2004 event that presented new information"

Actually i think the opposite is true.
He brought the oldest stuff.
I still think, his book is plagiarizing an almost 4 year old book, named
"Forbidden Truth: U.S.-Taliban Secret Oil Diplomacy, Saudi Arabia and the Failed Search for bin Laden"
by Jean-Charles Brisard, Guillaume Dasquie.
 http://tinyurl.com/dfgvz


Most of his chapters on oil pipeline projects and related oil price manipulations is based on the research by Brisard and Dasquie,
two intelligence specialist, including their strong focus on Bridas, also picked up by Schwarz.
Some chapters even seemed to have been written in the same order like "Forbidden Truth".
Maybe his readers didn't buy this book at the time of its release, otherwise they wouldn't have wasted time
with Schwarz' book.

10)
With all these confusions and plagiarizations, Schwarz might still deceive some followers, but the majority woke up on him already.
I am not sure what else to expect from someone who confuses wingspan sizes or "earthlink" with "earthlings", but maybe some more insults,
especially when he will speak out at WING TV in January 2005 :)

Happy holidays